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Fellow Blogger on NPD July 21, 2008

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alwaysjan, whom I first encounted when I posted about Narcissism, has a blog named Planet Jan. She also has a post about NPD that’s worth a look.

For me, NPD is the silent emotional killer of our times. Beware of narcissists everywhere. If they happen to be your loved ones, doubly so.

Thanks Jan for your insights.

NPD Feedback May 18, 2008

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I wrote about Narcissistic Personality Disorder a while back, and some feedback came in today:

always jan writes:

I’m in the process of setting up my own blog, planetjan. One of the topics I’d like to blog on is NPD. Your site provides lots of great information. I worked with and was close to someone who has NPD at my school. I’m curious if you’ve had any “fallout.” You don’t mention the person by name or gender, but it’s clear that people who know you, will know who you’re talking about.

First I’d like to wish alwaysjan the best on her upcoming blog. NPD is such a rich and fascinating topic, because it’s a disorder that goes undiagnosed and untreated but we are surrounded by many such individuals exhibiting these signs on various intensities, but we don’t realise this early enough and we find ourselves troubled grappling with our relationship to such people.

For me, having read about NPD was such an eye-opener since upon hindsight, there have been many people in my life who have shown symptoms of NPD. But as the original website clarifies, most of us will have NPD tendencies however it is the extreme cases which we should be wary about.

For me, now that you mentioned falling out with someone, in reality it wouldn’t be giving anything away for me to say that I was actually writing about two people in my life who upon later reflection I would brand as textbook cases of NPD.

I met both of them at different periods in my life, the first at a much younger era (before and early in my working life) and the second much later.

To share a brief history on both of them: the first person I remember distinctly started very insecure but later due to an assumption of a key responsibility became very arrogant and bossy–during which time the other characteristics of NPD manifested. The person became a whiner on everything and I found myself in those days having a lot of difficulty managing my relationship with this person because of numerous conflicts.

The second person was also insecure but what I remember most was the person’s penchant for gossip and double-talk. The person had a colorful family history and would share things to get you to become a confidant, while sharing your own secrets to other people. The person as a result would later alienate a lot of people with this habit but is somehow able to manipulate more and more people and gain their trust.

This might be giving some detail away, but is key to my response: although I claim to never having any sort of romantic relationship with these persons, both have on different occasions, admitted to other people that they had feelings for me–which I would later learn from other people, and complicated my understanding of them for some time. Now I can wager that those “feelings” they had for me were more a manifestation of their NPD than any real affection.

The acid tests were the results: if these people had any real love for me, how come I cannot think of any benefit I had from my dealings with them. If anything these people had cost me dearly in terms of reputation, finances, trust, and emotions.

Also I wondered myself how come I never entertained any reciprocal affection or even attraction to them. It now makes sense that it could never happen–because the love they claimed were just an expression of their fantasy. The persons they were really in love with, were themselves.

I don’t regret not having anything to do with these people nowadays. It saddened me for a while to realise this, but as you get older you come to accept that some bridges have to remain burned for good–because they lead absolutely nowhere.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder April 27, 2008

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It took me a while to figure it out, but now I think I finally realized who I had dealt with all those years ago. Although I no longer touch base with the person I’m referring to, those who know me probably already know who I am referring to, especially once I’m through describing traits. Just for integrity’s sake and a little fun, I’ll leave gender ambigious because that would really be a dead giveaway.

The person I am describing is someone I used to have a lot of dealings with, on a personal and professional basis. We had a lot of common ground to cover, and worked together or as part of the same group on a number of things. As far as I can remember, we were a part of each others’ lives, in the sense that we had dealings with each other on a daily basis.

Once upon a time this person actually relied on my advice to do something, and I encouraged this person to pursue a particular goal, not to impress anyone for anyone else’s benefit but that person’s. At the time, this person was suffering from a slight bout of low self-esteem, but after that episode which involved my little advice, this individual made a striking 180-degree turnaround. Unfortunately, the price for this person’s epiphany was that the person practically became a pain in the ass of everyone else.

In the years that followed, I would have my disagreements with this person on pretty much everything, but at those time I merely chalked it up to stress or perhaps the intermittent crises of the moment that we both faced. Sometimes I also wondered if the cause for the quarrels I had with this person was me–or some ignorance or omission on my part.

Of course, I was probably ignoring the obvious: because it wasn’t just me having quarrels with this person, but nearly everyone else had a bone to pick at various junctures. Being the self-introspecting person that I am, I would always try to check my own faults before the other’s. Now I know better. I realize now that the problem wasn’t me or everyone else. The root of the conflict lay in the person in question.

We were dealing with a narcissist.

Fortunately I was able to read up recently on Narcissistic Personality Disorder (NPD) and I will share with you some of the insights from that site here to give you an idea of the person we have all been dealing with. All these traits and observations come from the website linked above.

How To Recognize A Narcissist

1. An exaggerated sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)

Translation: Grandiosity is the hallmark of narcissism. So what is grandiose?

The simplest everyday way that narcissists show their exaggerated sense of self-importance is by talking about family, work, life in general as if there is nobody else in the picture.

2. Preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

Translation: Narcissists cultivate solipsistic or “autistic” fantasies, which is to say that they live in their own little worlds (and react with affront when reality dares to intrude).

3. Believes he is “special” and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)

Translation: Narcissists think that everyone who is not special and superior is worthless. By definition, normal, ordinary, and average aren’t special and superior, and so, to narcissists, they are worthless.

4. Requires excessive admiration

Translation: Excessive in two ways: they want praise, compliments, deference, and expressions of envy all the time, and they want to be told that everything they do is better than what others can do. Sincerity is not an issue here; all that matter are frequency and volume.

5. Has a sense of entitlement

Translation: They expect automatic compliance with their wishes or especially favorable treatment, such as thinking that they should always be able to go first and that other people should stop whatever they’re doing to do what the narcissists want, and may react with hurt or rage when these expectations are frustrated.

6. Selfishly takes advantage of others to achieve his own ends

Translation: Narcissists use other people to get what they want without caring about the cost to the other people.

7. Lacks empathy

Translation: They are unwilling to recognize or sympathize with other people’s feelings and needs. They “tune out” when other people want to talk about their own problems.

8. Is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him

Translation: No translation needed.

9. Shows arrogant, haughty, patronizing, or contemptuous behaviors or attitudes

Translation: They treat other people like dirt. 

I wonder if people already know who I’m talking about. But anyway, the related literature also list some traits and situations that arise when dealing with a narcissist:

  1. The most telling thing that narcissists do is contradict themselves. When you ask them which one they mean, they’ll deny ever saying the first one, though it may literally have been only seconds since they said it — really, how could you think they’d ever have said that?
  2. you get into disputes with narcissists over their casual dishonesty and cruelty to other people. Trying to reform narcissists by reasoning with them or by appealing to their better nature is about as effective as spitting in the ocean.
  3. Narcissists lack a mature conscience and seem to be restrained only by fear of being punished or of damaging their reputations.
  4. Narcissists are envious and competitive in ways that are hard to understand.
  5. Narcissists are generally contemptuous of others. This seems to spring, at base, from their general lack of empathy, and it comes out as (at best) a dismissive attitude towards other people’s feelings, wishes, needs, concerns, standards, property, work, etc.
  6. Narcissists are (a) extremely sensitive to personal criticism and (b) extremely critical of other people. And they criticize, gripe, and complain about almost everything and almost everyone almost all the time
  7. Narcissists are hostile and ferocious in reaction, but they are generally passive and lacking in initiative.
  8. Narcissists are naive and vulnerable, pathetic really, no matter how arrogant and forceful their words or demeanor
  9. Narcissists are grandiose. They live in an artificial self invented from fantasies of absolute or perfect power, genius, beauty, etc.
  10. Narcissists have little sense of humor. They don’t get jokes, not even the funny papers or simple riddles, and they don’t make jokes, except for sarcastic cracks and the lamest puns.
  11. Narcissists have a weird sense of time.
  12. Narcissists are totally and inflexibly authoritarian. In other words, they are suck-ups. They want to be authority figures and, short of that, they want to be associated with authority figures.
  13. Narcissists have strange work habits.
  14. Narcissists feel entitled to whatever they can take.
  15. Some narcissists spend extravagantly in order to impress people, keep up grandiose pretentions, or buy favorable treatment.  Narcissists are stingy, mean, frugal, niggardly to the point of eccentricity.
  16. Appearances are all there is with narcissists — and their self-hatred knows no bounds.
  17. It’s very hard to have a simple, uncomplicated good time with a narcissist.
  18. Narcissists don’t volunteer the usual personal information about themselves, so they may seem secretive or perhaps unusually reserved or very jealous of their privacy.
  19. Narcissists not only don’t recognize the feelings and autonomy of others, they don’t recognize their own feelings as their own.
  20. Narcissists are noted for their negative, pessimistic, cynical, or gloomy outlook on life.
  21. Narcissists are impulsive. They undo themselves by behavior that seems oddly stupid for people as intelligent as they are.
  22. Narcissists hate to live alone. Their inner resources are skimpy, static, and sterile, nothing interesting or attractive going on in their hearts and minds, so they don’t want to be stuck with themselves.

Anyway, I think I’ve illustrated the point well enough. The sad part about dealing with narcissists is that according to the website, in most cases, they are probably hopelessly beyond help.

it’s possible to get along with narcissists, but it’s probably not worth bothering with.

Good thing I haven’t been talking to this person in a while. It was probably for the best. To the rest of you who still have contact with such persons, all I can say is: good luck and try to stay alive.